Thursday, September 11, 2008
Numb3rs
-- John Locke
--Paul Depodesta
That's a pretty good introduction to my thoughts on the hockey metrics issue, which is being talked about here, here, here, and here. I suppose I would be considered a "stats guy," but I don't create any of my own and I have my own concerns about how they are being introduced to hockey. About two years ago, I started working on a post on the issue, but put it aside because it was consuming me. It was huge, and I just couldn't narrow down or focus my thoughts. Thankfully, the posts by David, Lowetide, Dave, and Matt have covered a great deal of territory, and I can now toss in my own two cents, mostly centred around what I would call "first principles." So here goes.
Hockey Metrics
State of "traditional" hockey statistics: in dire need of a Cartesian exercise in methodological skepticism.
Goal of "advanced" hockey metrics: the elimination of orthodox, unsound opinions in favor of objective, measurable truths about the game of hockey.
Basic needs to that end:
1) Need to identify what the game is about (runs scored and runs prevented)
2) Need to identify its particular qualities.
3) Need to identify which strategies are the most conducive to success.
4) Need to identify what is common between the “best” players and "best" teams.
5) Need to identify which current statistics are useless, based on above criteria.
6) Need to identify which current statistics are useful, based on above criteria.
Needs to push advanced hockey metrics to next level:
1) Need a Glossary of Terms defining advanced statistics in understandable and accessible language.
2) Need to identify standardized benchmarks of quality (and non-quality) for advanced statistics (like .300/.400/.500 in baseball).
3) Need more carrot, less stick in explaining advanced statistics to doubters, non-believers or newbies.
4) Need to make advanced statistics more publicly available for all to access and play with.
Not the compromised second draft:
• Matt Fenwick
• Matt Fenwick
• Tyler Dellow
• Vic Ferrari
• Gabe Desjardins
• Gabe Desjardins
• Alan Ryder
• Chris Boersma
• Chris Boersma
• Dirk Hoag
There you go. Basic stuff, really, and much is already being done (Matt's post from earlier today being a fine example). But at least it's down and done. Plus, now I can post the final proof that I took too many philosophy classes in university: an image I made some time ago linking Plato and Descartes to Bill James. I'm a DOOORRR ORRRRKKK.
Comments:
"The final test of any statistic is whether or not it correlates with winning."
--Bill James
Hear hear. Bill James is my hero.
I've actually stopped watching Numb3rs because they've gotten too preachy.
The one thing I would really like is a lot more information on TOI.com. Just going to the site gives shift charts and H2H and that's all I can find; I know there's so much more, but a few more links to all the scripts and pages that are available there, along with some basic FAQs, would probably lead to more people using it, testing it, etc.
I agree. Matt seems to find stuff all the time, and I have no idea where he gets it from. Get on it, Vic! Make it easy for us simple folk! :)
"64 percent of all the world's statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they're accurate statistics or not"
- from "Statistician Blues" by Todd Snider
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"The final test of any statistic is whether or not it correlates with winning."
--Bill James
Hear hear. Bill James is my hero.
I've actually stopped watching Numb3rs because they've gotten too preachy.
The one thing I would really like is a lot more information on TOI.com. Just going to the site gives shift charts and H2H and that's all I can find; I know there's so much more, but a few more links to all the scripts and pages that are available there, along with some basic FAQs, would probably lead to more people using it, testing it, etc.
I agree. Matt seems to find stuff all the time, and I have no idea where he gets it from. Get on it, Vic! Make it easy for us simple folk! :)
"64 percent of all the world's statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they're accurate statistics or not"
- from "Statistician Blues" by Todd Snider
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