The Battle of Alberta: Battle Night

Saturday, November 17, 2007

Battle Night

The Rubber Match
Calgary Flames (7-8-3) @ Edmonton Oilers (7-11-1)
8 p.m., Hockey Night in Canada

The Northwest Passage
Oilers: 4-5-1 in last 10 games; 3-7-1 against NW Division
Flames: 3-6-1 in last 10 games; 3-4-3 against NW Division

The Streaks
• Losers of five in a row, the Flames have fired off one consecutive win since then.
• The Oilers were in the midst of a ten-game winning streak until they faced the Mild on Thursday night; they have now lost one in a row, and thirty of their past forty.

The Goalie Controversies
Mathieu Garon: 4-2; 2.42 GAA; .915 SV%
Dwayne Roloson: 3-9-1; 3.21 GAA; .890 SV%
Miikka Kiprusoff: 7-83; 3:12 GAA; .887 SV%
Third Catchers: 33:00 minutes total TOI

The Oilers 12th Forward (TOI)
November 15: Stortini (06:03)
November 14: Stortini (08:05)
November 10: Stortini (02: 22)
November 8: Stortini (01:18)
November 5: Stortini (04:43)
November 2: Pouliot (07:35)
October 30: Jacques (03:49)
October 28: Jacques (04:28)
October 27: Jacques (04:05)
October 25: Pouliot (07:01)
October 23: Jacques (06:48)
October 20: Jacques (06:49)
October 18: Schremp (03: 12)
October 13: Stortini (07: 48)
October 12: Nilsson (05:43)
October 10: Jacques (08:20)
October 8: Sanderson (10:10)
October 6: Gagner (09:52)
October 4: Jacques (03:46)

Total Points from 12th forward in 19 games: 1 assist (Gagner, October 6th)

Other TOI notes: looks like Gagner, Sanderson have worked themselves out of the doghouse they were in in early November; Tarnstrom and Gilbert Gilbert have being getting more and more ice time, and appear to be handling it quite nicely (I admit to not looking at Quality of Opposition).

The Former-Player-Turned-Colour-Guy Clichés of the Game
Oil: use speed; play well in own zone; score more goals than Flames
Flames: play physical; get pucks deep; give up fewer goals than Oilers

The Prediction
4-2, Oilers. Torres, Cogliano, Dvorak, and Horcoff. Langkow and Aucoin for the Flames.

GOILERS!!!

# posted by andy grabia @ 11:35 am

Comments:

4-1 Calgary (Conroy, Phaneuf, Langkow, Iginla, Horcoff). Go Flames.

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 1:31 pm

4-2 Oil.

Marty with the trick. Sandy with the game winner.

# posted by

sacamano : November 17, 2007 1:57 pm

I had a dream last night of Gagner scoring a hat trick. Admittedly it was against Luongo, so maybe it for Tuesday. Nonetheless, I'll go with 3-2 Oilers.

# posted by

Mustafa Hirji : November 17, 2007 2:21 pm

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-doug

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 3:38 pm

The Oikers are in the midst of (another) 8 game losing streak. Flames win infinity to 1.

Go Flames.

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 4:56 pm

Who's in net tonight for both teams? Any word?

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 5:13 pm

I think they mentioned on the pregame that Garon would get the nod for Edmonton, and I would be shocked if it was anyone from not-Finland for Calgary.

# posted by

Doogie2K : November 17, 2007 5:44 pm

More or less confirming doogie, The Sun had this from MacT on Garon:
"His last two games have been stellar, one of them being against Calgary, so draw your own conclusions on the starter. Hopefully he gives us the same game."

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 6:11 pm

Calgary plays tomorrow though, no? So Mr. 887 might not draw in.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 6:20 pm

I prefer the boring old white guys CBC Satellite Hot Stove to the new yelling-over-each-other ex-hockey players CBC Satellite Hotstove.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 6:46 pm

Yeah not sure who thought PJ Stock and Garry Galley were better at this then the Hat and Scott Morrison.

PJ Stock? Why?

# posted by

Black Dog : November 17, 2007 6:50 pm

I loved the old Hot Stove. And by that, I mean in the days of J.D. Losing him, and then losing the rest is like a double whammy.

# posted by

Mustafa Hirji : November 17, 2007 6:53 pm

Gotta say: Don Cherry's video bit on Coach's Corner showing refs signalling an infraction more severely than the actual infraction was damn impressive.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 7:02 pm

Gotta say: Don Cherry's video bit on Coach's Corner showing refs signalling an infraction more severely than the actual infraction was damn impressive.

Haven't you been reading the FanHouse? We're back to waterskiing through the neutral zone and hacks at the legs of every skilled player, in addition to stifling defence from the likes of Carbonneau's Canadiens and Julien's Bruins, who are playing a chance-trading, 5-3 game in the third period. Pay some fucking attention, Winters.

# posted by

Doogie2K : November 17, 2007 7:20 pm

Haven't you been reading the FanHouse?

That corporate rag? Cmon.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 7:23 pm

Update: 7-4 Montreal, 52-36 Montreal in shots, three fights and more rough stuff throughout, plus Chara getting tossed for jumping (I think) Latendresse.

Dull as week-old bread.

Okay, I'm done mocking Luongo et. al. now.

# posted by

Doogie2K : November 17, 2007 7:51 pm

Mental note: never duck out across the street for sushi after a Leafs victory when you work on the same block as the ACC.

Yeesh.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:02 pm

LET'S GO OILERSSSS!!!!

Cmon, Raffi. Do it for me. You know what I'm talking about. Get your shoulder to talk dirty for me.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 8:10 pm

Waitaminute, McCarty is still in the league?

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:12 pm

How many shots a game end up crumpling Steve Staios? 2? 3?

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:19 pm

I am Doctor Questions tonight.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:22 pm

I thought you went by Dr. Feelgood?

Staios takes at least one puck in the head each game.

Helps him get into it.

# posted by

Black Dog : November 17, 2007 8:26 pm

Are all the Oilers defencemen wearing visors tonight? It would be a good idea, considering how many pucks to the face they take each game.

Hot Doorknob is soooooo slow.

That's twice Keenan has caught MacT with Stortini against Iginla. NOT good.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 8:30 pm

"It seems that Calgary is content to let those outside shots come in on the powerplay."

You think, Craig?

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 8:33 pm

I thought you went by Dr. Feelgood?

Sometimes it's Professor Tickles.

I'm hearing the name Stortini WAY TOO MUCH.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:34 pm

Simpson knows terrible PPs that's for sure. "You see this is what happens when your power play is struggling." Yeah you'd know pal.

Oilers have not had a lot of energy - lucky to be at evens so far - but then again most of the Flames shots have been from the outside.

Hemsky certainly is shooting more. From the corner almost there.

# posted by

Black Dog : November 17, 2007 8:37 pm

I think we can all agree that if Zack Stortini has an impact on the game it will be a loss.

Therefore, I suggest his nickname should be "L".

I am in love with Gilbert Gilbert.

# posted by

Lowetide : November 17, 2007 8:37 pm

Professor Tickles?

I'd wondered who had sent me those flowers.

Phaneuf with a message to Gagner:

"Ooga booga! Ooga! Ugh."

Punk.

# posted by

Black Dog : November 17, 2007 8:39 pm

'L'

So it shall be. Beautiful.

LT - re G.G. - get in line, pal.

# posted by

Black Dog : November 17, 2007 8:40 pm

Therefore, I suggest his nickname should be "L".

I kind of like "L Column," just to be clear.

I also wouldn't mind "2007's Toby Petersen."

Seriously, he sucks. Like really.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:42 pm

Typical Phanuef, trying to start something with Gagner.

I just left as implied in my post, but what the hell is the point of playing a 12th guy if they get so little time and are son ineffective? They might as well just throw me out there. I'd be as useful.

And can Penner please hit somebody? What a waste of size.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 8:43 pm

Do you know what I just realised? Our top defensive pairing is a rookie and a guy who was in the SEL last season. I think I was trying to wilfully ignore that as long as I could.

# posted by

Lord Bob : November 17, 2007 8:43 pm

"L" is awesome, but I think "L Column" is even better.

I'll add it to my list. I was going to do a new glossary this week.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 8:44 pm

Thing is l.b., they're doing alright. And they are making less then half of what Souray makes.

Stortini=Darren McCarty? Oh, puhleeze. 15 year career flipping burgers maybe.

# posted by

Black Dog : November 17, 2007 8:46 pm

Hrudey likes Stortini "for some reason."

!?!?!?!?!!?!?

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:47 pm

The Oilers dressing room is exactly like my basement. How weird is that?

# posted by

Black Dog : November 17, 2007 8:48 pm

I'll add it to my list. I was going to do a new glossary this week.

Please. I love that thing and it needs a new, 2007-08 edition.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:50 pm

Hrudey likes Jian Ghomeshi as well??

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:51 pm

Yikes. Nice acting.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 8:52 pm

After that intermission, every Dion Phaneuf appearance shall hereby be greeted with the words "who's in charge of the sissy?"

# posted by

Lord Bob : November 17, 2007 9:00 pm

After that intermission, every Dion Phaneuf appearance shall hereby be greeted with the words "who's in charge of the sissy?"

Damn, i went out to get gin. What happened?

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 9:09 pm

Why is Stortini in the box? For Owen Nolan punching him in the face?

GRRR

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 9:13 pm

The Oilers look terrible.

And Phaneuf came out of the closet in an interview with Scott Oake. I believe he said he liked to smoke hog.

# posted by

Black Dog : November 17, 2007 9:14 pm

You have to add Dennis' nickname for Phaneuf: Ugly.

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 9:18 pm

This team scores 2.05 goals a game. It's ridiculous.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 9:19 pm

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# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 9:19 pm

Uggh. Nolan, too, of all people. He should be in the box with L Column, not on the ice.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 9:27 pm

Six shots on net? Don't these guys have any balls?

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 9:29 pm

What a dink. I hate everything.

The team just sucks. Serious holes. It's a shame since they're even playing pretty hard most nights. Tonight, it's not even a typical "damn these Oilers" loss feeling.

I felt just as bad about the game when it was tied.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 9:30 pm

This team scores 2.05 goals a game. It's ridiculous.

On the bright side, if we don't allow any more goals we'll win 2.05-2, according to unstoppable laws of statistics.

# posted by

Lord Bob : November 17, 2007 9:36 pm

Oilers can't compete against teams who can send 5 NHL players over the boards for the next shift.

Who knew?

Mike W: "L Column" is brilliant!

# posted by

Lowetide : November 17, 2007 9:40 pm

Gilbert really is the shit, though. I mean, he doesn't quite compare to still having Tommy Salo available, but still, nice player.

I am barely exaggerating when I say that *EVERY* nice play by an Oiler in the first two periods was made by either Gilbert or Horcoff. (Generally on the defensive end).

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 9:45 pm

Nolan punches Stortini, the two go jaw-to-jaw for awhile, and Stortini gets 10 and Nolan nothing. Then Nolan gets two points in those 10 minutes to break this thing open. A little more divine assistance on the second one when Marouelli jumped in front of the net and picked Gilbert. Oilers are playing bad enough all on their own without getting shafted by Herr Referee.

# posted by

Bruce : November 17, 2007 9:48 pm

Gilbert really is the shit, though. I mean, he doesn't quite compare to still having Tommy Salo available, but still, nice player.

Did Fever4Flames sign in as Matt? Where were you when the game was tied 0-0, Fenwick?

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 9:51 pm

Calgary actually played 3 guys high on that PP. I don't know if I've ever seen that. I don't know if there can be a clearer indication that your PP strategy is transparent and repetitive.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 10:02 pm

Hemsky turns a 3-on-2 rush into a 1-on-2 on the half boards. There's predictable, and then there's stupid.

# posted by

Bruce : November 17, 2007 10:05 pm

One thing I do love about this Oilers team (just about the only thing) is that they have balls the size of the centre ice logo. This game is, realistically, over, and the guys are still playing balls to the wall. If we got a couple breaks it could easily be 2-2, but sadly we used all our breaks in the last Battle of Alberta.

# posted by

Lord Bob : November 17, 2007 10:07 pm

The only way this could possibly get any worse is if they start giving assists to our guys for the Flames goals.

Wait...

COGLIANO!!!!!!!

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 10:11 pm

Nolan and Conroy, what a great night.

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 10:12 pm

Kipper can't buy a shutout this year. Hopefully he's saving it up for the end of the year.

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 10:14 pm

Lord Bob: I heartily agree.

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 10:15 pm

Did anyone in Ontario just see that horrifying accident commercial? That will teach thse chefs!

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 10:17 pm

Keenan has totally out-coached MacT tonight. He's exploited Iginla's line against Cogliano and Gagner to the fullest. It was nice to see Cogs out-hustle that prick Phaneuf for the goal, but this game is over. We looked like amateurs out there.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 10:19 pm

Good thing MacT's got the last change.

# posted by

Bruce : November 17, 2007 10:28 pm

"Another beautiful loss."

Time to hit the booze. Hard.

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 10:55 pm

Time to hit the booze. Hard.

I just drank two stiff beers at my local totally shitty bar with $6 domestic pints.

I don't hate this team. Just wish they were better.

# posted by

mike w : November 17, 2007 11:19 pm

Oh, Christ, that WSIB ad was awful.

Best case reaction: "Jeez, that lady's grease burns really make me want to shape up the job safety on Monday."

Worst case reaction: "Super, another ad campaign designed to horrify me into behaving the way the government wants me too. It's more boring every time, I tell you what... I'm literally tempted to spill something on a commercial kitchen floor right now."

Also, I don't think the Oilers need anyone piling on right now, but if you're a fan, you gotta hope none of them catch a replay of the HNIC coverage tonight. Or they'd get the impression that it was just a few breaks that could have gone the other way that cost them the game.

I think it's quite possible that the Oilers are a fair bit better once Pisani et al come back -- I don't think they're a lottery team with a full (or thereabouts) roster -- but right now they are not close.

The calling cards of crappy young teams are:
"We're creating plenty of chances, we just need to learn to finish."
and
"If we had gotten a couple of different bounces..."

As usual, paying attention to Lowetide is a wise idea.

# posted by

Anonymous : November 17, 2007 11:44 pm

Time to hit the booze. Hard.

Been doing that since the 2nd. Feels much better this way.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 11:44 pm

I don't think they're a lottery team with a full (or thereabouts) roster -- but right now they are not close.

Meh. I agree, but not because of this one game. The Flames looked crappy seven days ago. I'm sure they'll be look that way again in three days.

# posted by

andy grabia : November 17, 2007 11:47 pm

I was a bit taken aback to hear Hrudey say this was a "beautiful loss." I know I was as hungover as fuck today, but I'm pretty sure that the game I watched had Horc hit a post right off the bat, plus he nearly scored on the PK, and that was it for scoring chances in the first two periods.

The guys only played one period, nothing beautiful about that.

And, man, what was up with that clip they showed for the movie? the acting was beyond wooden and who in the fuck will believe that "Ed" could've been a good hockey fighter? Hrudey was on fire there in the first intermission. First, he said Sortini would have a career anyway from 8-tp-15 years, and no, I'm not making this up, and then he was promoting that awful movie.

# posted by

Dennis : November 18, 2007 1:13 am

The Flames looked crappy seven days ago. I'm sure they'll be look that way again in three days.

It's only Sunday, and they looked super uber-crappy against the Canucks :-)

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